MR. RAJBALI TIWARI (FORMER EDUCATION MINISTER, U.P.)
Tuesday, June 22nd, 2010First Visit
Rajbali Tiwari Ji
Dear children and teacher I am very fortunate that Mr. Valentino has given a chance to me to meet with you; because I like the children the most. Because they are the power store of the life. Before I spoke in Hindi. But somethings in English. Thousand years before Indian ancestors declared Vasudhaiv Kutumbkam. The whole, world the whole humanity belongs to one family. There is no difference between a man and a woman because they (all) reside in every ones heart. There are our honorable Buddhist monks. I am very glad to see them. There is no difference between Buddhism and Sanatan Hindu dharma. Because lord Buddha is our ‘avtar. i.e. Incarnation of God. No difference between reverd Dalai Lama and our religious it Gurus. It has been so many times expressed that Buddhism is part and parcel of Sanatan Hindu dharma. There is no difference at all. So there is no gap, they are reverd like our Gurus.
Dear children I am affiliated to universal intuition of education. I’ve been never forgotten this institution because whatever our ancestors have declared it, that the universal is of one family. This institution is practically doing the same. Every where I’ve declared where ever in Lucknow or Delhi or anywhere in Varanasi that there is an institution universal education that is doing practically the proclamation of our ancestors in practice to serve the humanity.
There is a place Chicago in America where world religious conference had been organized. Talking about lord Buddha, Swami Vivekanand said that we asked for techniques from our western fellows and India will provide them spirituality by which they will acquire a happy and peace full life otherwise there is no difference between a man and an animal. Really he is an animal. The animal man who eats, drinks and sleeps in the same way as the animal eat, drink and sleep. They have no object to think, no aim to this life. To be a human, there must be spirituality; materialistic things can’t give you happiness and peace. This is the truth. Children, today I will tell you something about Ashtawakra, the great self realized spirituality giant of India. So I will tell you something about him. Generally children or elderly people complain that they are poor so that they cannot get education, they cannot do anything in the world. They complain about their poverty. There are some people who say that they are disable, they have weak body so that neither they can get education nor can do anything. Here two kinds of thinking is done by people i.e. poverty and physical disability. This why I want to tell you about Ashtawakra. How many boys are here who have heard about Ashtawakra? Oh! So many of you. Very good. This is all due to Mr. Valentino. I am very glad. who will tell me the meaning of Ashtawakra?
So it seems to me that you know the story. So I must tell you about the story or not? If you want, I will tell you the story otherwise I will tell you something else. So curved feet, bent hand, curved neck, curved cervical region from three points; totally curved body from 8 points and very poor boy. That boy becomes the greatest, renowned, self realized and good knower. It is not a surprise which inspired everyone i.e. the story of Ashtawakra. Don’t complain about poverty and disability. Your goal should be clear and your soul should be tough and solid like iron, then nothing is impossible in this world for any one.
I was born in a very distant village. The most backward village, but now I am here. I was very poor, but afterward I am here. Because there is a motivation which makes a man great. Take motivation that you will move forward crossing the obstacle of each difficulty, nobody can stop your way (progress), this is the secret of life. There was a Muni named Kadod. His wife was Sujata. She was very religious. She was wise. When Ashtwakra was in the womb of her mother, one day his father was reciting veda. A voice came from the womb of her mother and said that father you were doing veda path but your pronunciation is wrong. You think what would be the condition of the father. He was a veda scholar. Suddenly he was very much moved. He felt a great rage and said if he were so much curbed and bent in the womb of his mother, then he would not allow to survive anyone when he would born and come on the earth. So he might curb from eight points i.e. bent. In the mean time when the delivery time was near, Sujata told Kahod Muni, that they were poor, live in the Ashram and expenses is increased during delivery period. You will also feel that at the time of infant coming, the expense is increased or not. So she became worried that expenditure would increase and how it will be accommodated. Then Kahod Sage said that he would take part in the debate in the court of king Janak and bring some money from there. Sujata forbade him to go there because there was a Bandi Pandit in the court of the king Janak who was very cunning. Defeating anyone, he makes them prisoner, put in to jail, so you don’t go there. But he had to go. Going there, he challenged for debate. The king organized the court debate was done but he was defeated. So he was made prisoner. In the mean time after some time Ashtawakra was born. His grandfather-in-law forbade his mother to discuss anything about Kahod. So Sujata never say anything about it to Ashtawakra. When Ashtawakra was of 12 years of age, then he insisted to know about his father. And he began hunger strike. Just like today. Hunger strike was done that time also. It is an old Sanatan (Continuous) process. Gods also used to do hunger strike. Indra always used to weep (Complain). He was very wicked. He was the king of the all the gods but he was very wicked. He always used to do policy game. So she told him at the age of 12 years. She told him everything. Then Ashtawakra became quiet. But he was versed (equipped) in veda, vedanga, Shastra in just few days. Nobody could face him. How did it possible? In a very short time. It is said about Jagat Guru Shankaracharya that at little age of 16, he did all his doings and took Samadhi in Himalaya at the age of 32 years. So Ashtawakra was like that. It is a matter of surprise that a man who was curbed from 8 points and at the age of 14-15, became master of all intelligence of the world, self knower, god knower. Actually it is not a wonder what is the secret of it. Coming from school when you sit to read and your teacher is giving lecture in the class and you are thinking about your home. It is not run in your mind? That time you think about the game you will play. And some naughty boy think that to whom they will do mischief today. All these are running in the mind so you are not under-standing anything, many times you have to repeat it. But children, the secret is only one. Concentrating your all attention, if you accumulate it like tortoise, not any other place but put your all attention in study, then such an energy will reproduce that you will learn the thing in a moments which you cannot learn in years. This is the secret. This is the main mantra (Cause). So the life of Ashtawakra is praiseworthy from each angle. Specially for children. So concentrating their attention, great Mahatma, self knower, god knower and even being a man, becoming as a form of incarnation, they devoted to good. Lord Rama, Krishna and Buddha got birth like you as a child, experienced every kind of pleasure and sorrow, but through their deep concentration and attention, they became world personality. They became god. So first education that we get form the life history of Ashtawakra is to do practice, whenever you sit for study, you mind that your attention did not deviate and be still at your study, if deviate then abuse your attention and say strictly not to disturb you, I will not listen anything, let me study, it’s not my business. So he (Ashtawakra) became great in a very little age. In that period of time no one was good knower and self knower like Ashtawakra. Now you are surprised that a person whose body is curved from 8 points became so. After that Ashtawakra started for the court. He was moving in the court of king Janak like animal. Everything was curved. He cannot move straight. So when anyone laughed at him, he cursed him: be a snake, you will be curved. He cursed many: you are laughing, “You are laughing at me.” Accidently riding on his chariot King Janak started January for knowing about pleasure and sorrow of his subject. While wandering suddenly they were confronted .Seeing the Astawakra King Janak stopped his chariot and began to see him surprisingly that he is curved from 8 points. But there was a light like God at his face. What is this? He could not understand anything. The dialogue between Astawakra and King Janak is very important. The King Janak was also very wise .He was called ‘Videha’ that means a wise person who has no feeling of his body. Just then he realized the God.Such is said by our Yogis. Then Astawakra realized. Seeing him, surprised Astawakra challenged “O Janak!” Janak was a king. “O Janak, you called yourself ‘VIDEH’ consider yourself self knower. Your vision is only made of skin. You have not self or inner knowledge. Tell me, if temple is curved, then sky will also be curved? Sky is omnipresent. It has no relationship with the temple. In the same way, if body is curved, then soul will also be curved because soul; a Param soul (God) is subtle, very subtle. It has no relationship with the body. So your vision is only made of skin. A boy who can challenge like this has taken birth.” Great wise king Janak immediately got down of his chariot and understood that he was a great wise man. He prostrate and took him to the royal court with great respect. Then court was organized and debate began. Bandi Pandit could not answer any question of Ashtawakra and ran away from there. People began to praise Ashtawakra. Then Bandi Pandit was captivated. Then king worshiped him ceremonially, he did everything for him, his father and many other prisoners were released. He see off his father with a lot of wealth, but he did not allow Ashtawakra to go. As conversation took place between Krishna and Arjun in Mahabharata period and after that Bhagwat Geeta came into existence which can be read into whole gathering and everyone pronunciate its name with great respect, in the same way king Janak asked question about wisdom, Vairagya and Nirvana and how it can be achieved.
On that subject question-answer and debate was continued for months. The dialogue between Raja Janak and Ashtawakra is called Ashtawakra Geeta and is famous even today. Many people are dozing sleep, many people are getting bore, if they got only 5%, then surely they will get benefit. You can see through your experience. Even you know the story of Ashtawakra, get I told you about you it. Now there is no need to go in its deep explanation. If you are wise, you can read it also as you read Bhagawat Geeta. If you want to ask something, you can ask. Mind it, neither I am a Pandit nor a scholar. Generally I have also some experience like you. So, if you have any question in your mind, you can put it to me.
Second Visit
Walking with Founder of Alice Project
My hand is jerking, my head is jerking too. But it is my hobby and almighty god gave me such strength that I can confront with Himalaya too. I was in jail for 21 months there my body was jammed. When I was released from jail, many doctors did great efforts; my hands were so that nobody could do anything, Medical science became fail. Then I requested to leave me on the mercy of god. I will cure myself through exercises of yoga otherwise I might be on bed. Medical science became fail. You will wonder about the name ‘yoga’ i.e. union of soul and god. The name of yoga is so because it join you with god, made a union, so its name is yoga (union). Children you are very lucky because you are student of Universal Education School. I my view, the director of this institution Mr. Valentino is a saint. The chief aim of this life it is to improve these poor boys up to the height of sky. Make them a whole human being through their integrated development by giving them education. Man takes birth, that time he is also a two legd animal. I will tell you later at this topic. He thinks to make them a whole man and world-class man through providing them education and through their all round development. It can be done only by a saint. And it is a matter of happiness that I have a good connection with your teacher for many years. I am well aquanted with this school, its condition and its direction. I wonder that in today’s problematic atmosphere your guru loves and show affection to you so much. It is utmost goal of his life to make you a whole human being and make your all round development through education. It is a matter of wonder. I used to go in many school and colleges but nowhere I see this kind of atmosphere. Whatever I see that sitting on the chair in the class, teacher chew betel, smoke Bidi and Cigarette, releases smoke. But children are not less naughty. I have seen with my own eyes that when teacher began to chew betel, began to release smoke of Bidi and Cigarette, then some naughty boys putting their both legs on table began to chew betel and to smoke cigarette. Sir, discipline is deteriorating, there is no matter of any kind of discipline. Students beat their teachers badly. The relationship between teacher and taught has finished. It is bad luck of this country. There is too much noise about education, but the real education which can build the life of students, is not given. And the condition of governmental school is more worse. We will get discipline from where. The result is that country is indulging totally in corruption. It is very difficult to say who is honest, who is patriot, who is social worker, it is really very difficult. The whole world is indulged in corruption because teachers are dutiless, there is no aim of life there is no any building activity, they are providing only bookish knowledge so that educated people are doing more suicide. Big scientists are doing suicide. The poor who are illiterate is doing suicide because they have no knowledge about life. This body and life is what? He is not told about it. Secular education is being provided in many schools, Colleges and Universities of India. Then I said that man is also a two legged animal. Animal and birds collect their food, feed themselves and then sleep. Only this is the aim of their life. Half build man also behaves like an animal. What so ever he became a great scientist, a great his to rain, a great writer but animal instinct shower upon him because he is not a perfect man. He became scientist and professor on the basis of bookish knowledge. He has no perfect knowledge of life. The spirituality which is most important for life is not adopted into his body. He is only an animal whether he is a great scientist or a great writer. He will surely fall, he will be surely corrupt. He will suicide because he thinks that this is his body. While it is true that his body is not his own, it has no relation with him, it is the gift of god. And your motive should be that god has provided me this body like chariot for a while to complete my life journey and to remember the god. When a scientist is spiritualistic, then he will never think about suicide because it is the greatest sin to kill the body provided by god. This body is not his own. It means there is animal instinct inside him. He has no. knowledge of life. This why I say that you are very lucky, it seems that you student of U.E.S. or also very lucky.
Then I remember my childhood. There is a village Kathiranwa , 20 Km away in west from here. 70 years ago sitting on the mat, I did my study in primary school. How much those teachers loved? How much they have the feeling to provide best education to their students and to get them good division. But now nobody of them is alive. I am also 82 years old. Then how can teacher of primary and middle school will survive now. Even my very few companions are alive. But even today when I remember them, my heart is full of feelings. How should the relationship between teacher and taught be, I am seeing here.
Addressing the Students
In ancient times residing in the ashram of guru, the students used to get knowledge. And mother guru worried about them. It was an atmosphere. So that India is still in existence even the most corrupt people of today are here. It is only due to sacrifices and tapasya of our ancestors and due to blessing of god and also due to social workers like Valentino. It is a truth. You always remember this. The relationship between teacher and taught gives a great pleasure. Really you get a great pleasure. Guru is not less than God because he makes us well cultured through education. Mother, father and guru are like god. They are similar to god.
Second thing I realized that you know everything even you are very small children but you still know about spirituality. I wonder that you are so small but slowly- slowly due to teaching of your guru’s and their labour you have known. So much things that great scholars also don’t know. At this point I will illustrate a true story. In my neighborhood their lived a renound professor of B.H.U. and vice-chancellor of Himachal Pradesh, Shimla, University. He has expired near about one year ago. He has written hundreds of books. He has great respect among the scholars. Generally I had a discussion with him. He was member of ‘progressive writer association.’ It means people of India are non-progressive such writers association which expresses the Indian culture in India in a deformed way. Because they get feeding from foreigners like china and Russia. He was a great scholar and writer of hundreds of books, got retirement. His one son is professor in Kashi Vidhyapeeth, another one is a journalist. One day sending his son to me, he called me. I went to him and asked what had happened what happened in real life, you will get a good lesson from it. I went and there was book all around there in the almirahs. Laying on a bed, he was screaming with pain. I asked him what had happened. You are screaming with pain. The world is admiring you, you are so great scholar and you are screaming like that. I asked him that is the problem. He said “Tiwari ji, I have no problem. I have no any physical suffering.” I asked him what was the problem now. He said, “I am feeling disturbance. There is a great agitation in my mind. I am feeling disturbance.” I asked him “to buy peace and pleasure by those books. Buy peace and pleasure from ‘progressive writers association’ and you have a lot of wealth also. You were vice chancellor, professor and owner of a lot of wealth. Inspite of all these things you are worried, sorrowful, why?” He said, “Tiwari ji, don’t make joke, I am dying.” I asked him what could I do for him. He asked me about any remedy. I told that you would not understand the remedy because you are progressive writer. He was very sad. I told him that he would not understand my suggestion. You call you sons to you your nervousness is your own. At the time of death you are thinking what have you done in your life. It is true or not? He said that I was saying true. I told him that he condemned everyone, passed comments and wrote commentaries throughout his life. Commentary on Mahabharata, on sages. You wrote about sages that their luminosity is due to milk of cow. You commented that sages gave respect to milk of cow so they have luminosity. He wrote like that. I told him that he wrote commentary throughout his life. What have you done more? He said to me, “Tiwari ji, don’t say anything, only you sit near me.” I said that I would not sit and if I sit there, his fault can affect me too.
As there are many types of ornaments of gold, different types of toys, pots and picture of clay but elementarily what are they? Fundamentally what are they? They all are clay and gold. There are only transformation, in the same way man is transformation of different types of form and shapes like the pots and toys of clay, like ornaments of gold, but elementarily he is one. There is the same soul is all living and the same soul is individual. It is said soul is the living beings but actually it is god or Parmatma. So, every individual is incarnation and representative of Parmatma. Our sages who have experienced the soul, said themselves ‘Aham Bramhashmi’ i.e. I am the god. This is the Indian culture, this is spirituality.
So at last I told him to recite ‘ohm’, ’ohm’, ’ohm’———. He asked what would happen with this. I told him that it is the chief name of Parmatma. And in marriages at your home Pandit Ji recited letter ohm before recitation of every shloka. Did he do or not? He replied in affirmation. I told him that it had been in practice for thousands of years. ‘ohm’ is the chief name of Parmatma. The name of Rama came into practice very late.
There was one Acharya named Ramanand. He made Kabir his disciple i.e. main disciple. He had many disciples. Throughout India, the Brahmins greatly protested that Pandit ji made an out caste his disciple. But Acharya Ramanand said that spirituality has not entered in their life and body. You they are pretender. Kabir was his main disciple. When he i.e. kabir got realization, then he told his guru to pay him Guru Dakshina . Then Acharya said that it would be his ‘Guru Dakshina ‘if he would raise the wave of the name of Lord Rama throughout India. Then Pandit Ramanand and Kabir had raised the wave of the name of Lord Rama. It is the story of 700 years ago. And you have also heard the name of Guru Nanak. He also raised the wave of the name of lord Rama. Then author of ‘Rama Charit Manas’ Goswami Tulsidas brought the name of lord Rama at every house hold. But ‘ohm’ is in practice even today. When I told him, then he replied that he doesn’t understand the ‘ohm’. I advised him to recite Ram, Ram, Ram, ——– he was your in ancestor. He is also my ancestor. He said, “oh, the son of Dasharatha. I wrote a commentary on him. I don’t believe in god. Where is god? God does not do anything for anyone” I said, “You love your younger son because he cares to you more and elder son does not sit near you. You have two sons, then why you love only one.” He replied that he cares him, he worries about him.
I said that god maintains equanimity; he does the welfare of everyone with equanimity; but who are his devotee, who remembers him, then god takes the responsibility of his whole life. It is reality that you will not understand. Then he asked,” Tiwari ji, you always says about god…….. God but in reality where he is? I told him that I was explaining to him like a primary students that where god is. I am your teacher so I am explaining you in simple language. I will see whether you understand or not and I will not go without making you understand. I asked him to tell me thinking seriously that there is any rule and order in this universe or not. He spoke suddenly, it was truth so spoke about it that order and rule looks in the universe. Then I put forward one thing also and said that sun is so far from the earth that everything will burn if it comes a little near to earth everything will burn and if it turns a little in another side then everything will freeze into ice, you accept in or not. He replied in affirmation. I asked him who is maintaining the sun at that place. Who is dictating? The sun, Beta, you don’t go either forward or backward where there is rule and order, then there must be a regulator and authority or not, tell me.
He replied in affirmation, any order or rule will not run smoothly without any regulator or authority. I further said if it is, then authority who is governing, visible to you or not. It is a power. It is magnetic power which has, held the whole universe with its attraction. Tell me about the support by which the earth is fixed in its position. The sun which is bigger than earth about 13 lakh times is fixed in its position at the support of what. It is the power, magic and miracle of whom? So there is a power. The human beings of the world have given it different names as per their liking. He has numerous names. There is no limit of his names. In India people call him god, call him Par Brahma Parmatma, call him god, Allah. Call him with different names. But all are taking the name of only power. He is god (Parmatma).
Now there is the question of reverence and belief. If is no reverence, there will be no belief. So it is a truth. Nobody can deny it, even scientist too can’t. Now scientist also began to say that awareness in universe is working. The awareness is that power, Parmatma, God, and Allah. Actually he is governing. Through their research our sages said that his name is ‘ohm’ the name ‘ohm’ is Scientific. The listeners listen it. You will know that this universe is going away continuously at a great speed. Scientists and many sages told it infinite, there is neither any begining nor end of it. Where is it going away, where is it getting extension, nobody knows about it. We are so small like an ant that we don’t know the earth is moving at a great speed. We don’t know about it. As put an ant on a moving ball, it will not know that the ball is also moving, in the same way we don’t know that earth is moving. In the same way the universe is moving at a great speed. The sound produced through its movement is ‘Ohm’. The yogis, sages and spiritualists listen it. It is not imaginary but scientific. Not only has this but your each breath produced the sound ‘Ohm’. This why we call the breath ‘God’ and meditation is done through inhaling and exhaling, we feel the realization of god. So this breathing also pronounces the sound ‘ohm’. And the yogis who do meditation and said to concentrate your attention at your breath, at sounds, making your mind is like a witness and try to listen what it says, then it doesn’t say anything except ‘ohm’……..’Ohm’.
He asked whether he should say,’ohm’…..’Ohm’ or ‘Ram’…….’Ram’. I advised him to recite as per his interest. You can take the name of any tree and consider it as Parmatma. There should be reverence and belief. This spirituality is very strange. You keep a stone and consider it as Parmatma. Put your reverence and belief in it. God (Parmatma) will appear in it, he is in each and every particle; he is in animals, trees and birds. Wherever he is not? And actually in this universe, you here about ‘Virat Purus’ (super human) in Mahabharat. Lord Krishna showed his broad appearance to Arjuna, actually the visible world of Parmatma i.e. universe is the broader appearance of Parmatma (God) because he is in each and every particle. This why Jagat Guru Shankaracharya has said clearly that this world is a reality for you until you don’t realize the soul, the Parmatma and you should consider it reality and truth. It is not an imagination, a dream. But you will see nothing if you get the realization of Atma-Parmatma which are actually one. You will see the light of Parmatma everywhere, therefore ‘Brahma Satya Jagat Mithya’ i.e. God is truth and everything is wrong.
Such is said, so this is the height of spirituality. So a man cannot be perfect without spirituality. He is a two legged animal, spirituality is not very difficult. The meaning of spirituality is to try and to know your fundamental form. Now I will ask myself who am I? What is my fundamental form? Am I body? Am I hand? Am I mind? Am I leg? Then you will notice that you are not all those. What I am and realizing to which this body becomes dead, becomes dead body and your close relatives also say to remove the dead body otherwise it will produce bad smell. Suppose that it is nothing, it is inert matter, it is soil. Movement in this body seems due to existence of soil otherwise body is inert. It is soil.
“ Chhiti Jal Pawak Gagan Sameera
Panchrachit yah Adham Sharira.”
(This means body is made of soil, water, fire, sky and air.)
This is inert, soil, As people don’t keep dirty soil in their houses, in the same way they will not keep dead body in their houses. The body will be very loving, it will be your father, your very loving son, your daughter. But it became dead body when awareness came out of it and then you remove it, burn it, burry it. Concider only this as the world .Consider main purpose of your life what you are? Why you came in this world’?
There is shortage of time but one thing more that you should know:
Thinks continually about it. Study as much as, study science, History, Geography and study all other subjects. Do everything what is needed to make yourself capable in this world. But your life will become perfect only then when you understand yourself. Only then you will get pleasure, joy and peace. what I am? I am pure awareness, form of light, divine soul and undestroyable part of Parmatma. Only soul is undestroyable. Neither I am the body nor this body is mine. Parmatma (God) has provided me this body for the time being not permanently to complete my life span (Journey) and to remember the creator. This is the essence of life. This is the essence of whole life. Rest are the same as Jagat Guru Shankarachraya has said that Veda, Shashtra. Puran and millions of books that are written on religious topics are very dense forest. The poor one who search way in them, confuse his way. He wanders for many lives. So there is no need to wander. Take hold of Parmatama directly. Do your study as much as, do your work honestly, serve your Guru, serve your Parents and you will reach at peak of progress. Is your wish only this?
Discussion with students
Question:- Guruji you spoke about reality, so please clarify this reality?
Answer:- You and I sit here together, appearing to each other, this is reality. Reality means which is present. This sun, moon, stars, flowers, trees, plants and birds, they all are reality. Rest you think are dream. Parmatma is present in each and every particle, Parmatma is form of light. Soul and Parmatma are one; soul is also form of light. Today scientists also say that matter can be change in energy and energy can be change in matter. So there is no difference between both, a stone is seen and there is one breath. Exchange is done between both of them. Matter into energy and energy into matter. So when there is realization, when realization is in inner side, then incarnation is not outside but it is inside, them
Man can realize, he can began to know .Then that time your vision, your thinking, your mind, your intelligence becomes suddenly full of light and you look every where only light. This why it is said that “BrahamaSatya Jagat Mithya”.only God is true, the world is wrong .That time looks only the light of Parmatma .The same light is seen in the form of matter due to illusion to which we say “Aham”or Ego. There are two great powers of Paramatma. Illusion and ignorance cover it. We ourselves are not seeing ourselves and our forms because we have to cut a slight illusion .There are Ravana, Kumbhkarna, Kansa, Duryodhana inside us and Krishna, Rama, Sages, great beings, Divine Gurus are also in side us. You feel a great joy and pleasure if you realize it. There will be concentration in side you. The matter you cannot learn in a month will be learnt in a short time. Because your mind becomes concentrate. This is said the reality.